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Haha and what was the intent ?
As I said “neither of us will ever know”
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Haha and what was the intent ?
saying “I doubt, very much” implies that you have an ulterior motive in mind. So what is it?As I said “neither of us will ever know”
saying “I doubt, very much” implies that you have an ulterior motive in mind. So what is it?
Well written but the church is just out of date.My general thoughts, as a straight half-anglo/half-arab Christian male, so take them with however many grains of salt you wish:
* LGBTQIA+ has become such a large group now that putting support behind the 'movement' without caveats is a very messy and complicated affair. As a random example (don't @ me), one might be comfortable saying they are 100% behind the sexuality side of this movement, but against say allowing hormone blockers to pre-pubescent children based on a transient gender identity. It's not straightforward.
* Manly not talking to their players was inept management. That the players have been blindsided is one of the issues here. They all know that a large portion of Pasifika players are from Christian backgrounds to a varying degree. Their views would not be unknown to them. Heck, the media is happy to broadcast and put focus on things like Fiji's pre-match hymn, or focus on opponents praying together after a match, then act shocked when this sort of thing happens.
* I like what Peter Fitzsimons wrote (colour me shocked) - Manly should have had Ian Roberts come in and address the playing group about why this is important. The players could have then come out at the jersey unveiling press conference saying "we are wearing this jersey not to support any political movement but as a simple message to say Rugby League and Manly are for everyone".
* Just like organisations now include acknowledgements of country, a statement should be on each club's websites with a message about Rugby League being a game for all, no matter your race, religion, sexuality or gender identity. They should even have the Ground Announcer make this statement at each home game. It happens sometimes but should happen all the time. All but the most misguided of persons would agree that anyone can participate or watch Rugby League.
* In Christianity, homosexuality in and of itself is not a sin. The act of sex outside of a committed male-female marriage is the sin - any sex. If any of them have slept with someone pre-marriage it's the same sin as sleeping with a dude. So make of that what you will. Also the 'Jesus never said anything about homosexuality' statement doesn't hold any water because Christians believe the Bible - the whole Bible - is the inspired word of a triune God. If it's in the Bible, it's from God (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit).
* Now many billions around the world hold to Christianity as their core identity and being. Many do not. As a functioning Western democracy - whose morality primarily comes from Judeo-Christian teachings anyway (and we could learn from our Indigenous brothers and sisters too) - separation of Church and state is vitally important. Australia is not a theocracy and nor should it be. But it's important to treat everyone with respect and humility. Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Straight, Gay, Black, White. Everyone. Outrage for outrage sake and cancel culture does nothing to improve human interaction.
"We instinctively tend to limit for whom we exert ourselves. We do it for people like us, and for people whom we like. Jesus will have none of that. By depicting a Samaritan helping a Jew, Jesus could not have found a more forceful way to say that anyone at all in need - regardless of race, politics, class, and religion - is your neighbour. Not everyone is your brother or sister in faith, but everyone is your neighbour, and you must love your neighbour."
― Timothy Keller, Generous Justice
Perhaps you should work on your comprehension skills.Add some sensibility for starters
I get what you're trying to say.Whilst I agree, I note that you have a pink and green jersey as your avatar...
Wasn't having a go at you, nor disagreeing. Was just observing that you had a women's pink and green jersey avatar whilst saying you thought red and green was sufficient to represent everyone.I get what you're trying to say.
However, my avatar changes most weeks as you may have noticed. My avatars are actually phone lock screen wallpapers that I make myself for my phone. I change it to match whatever jersey we are wearing that Round.
So while I do support Women In League Round, Indigenous Round, and I would support a Pride Round if there was one, my avatar isn't necessarily just what it is right now because I just support Women In League Round, it is simply because that's the jersey the club is wearing this weekend.
I hope that makes sense.