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Manly Pride Debacle

Australia is a free country.

People have the right to express their sexuality.

People have the right to express their religious beliefs.

You don't have to like it but it's the rights his country has earnt.
You are also free to find other work if you disagree with the direction your employer is going, even another industry altogether. Playing NRL is a privilege. Promoting it is part of the job of players.
 

I wore my Manly jersey, and my sexuality, with pride. Now I’m heartbroken - Ian Roberts​

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/i-wore...ride-now-i-m-heartbroken-20220726-p5b4qq.html

My heart breaks that seven players from my old club of Manly refuse to wear rainbow jerseys to celebrate inclusivity. This is a difficult conversation we have to have and I am here for it. Allow me to work my way towards conversing with those players. I am trying not to be angry.

From my side, I am a proud gay man. It was never a choice I made. I was born gay, I have lived gay, and I am proud to proclaim I am gay. But it was tough, early, and if there is anything that motivates me speaking out in this conversation it is the knowledge that there are still so many young people out there suffering for their own sexuality, and what I really want at the end of this conversation is for them to be stronger, to know they are not alone, they are not abnormal, that they have support.

So, to the Manly club, thank you for the initiative on the jerseys. Your heart was in the right place, and you operated from a place of love. We need more initiatives exactly like this and it is through such actions that we change the world.
Sport is political, and it can change the world, the way the Olympian Peter Norman did supporting the Black Power salutes, the way Nicky Winmar did, the way Cathy Freeman did. This is our turn.

Yes, Manly, there has been a backlash to your actions on the jersey, but it does not change the fact that your intentions were good.
To Des Hasler, the Manly coach and my old teammate – you couldn’t have done more. You supported me when I came out as gay long ago, though you’d known about it before that, and you have supported me since. This must have been very difficult for you, and I appreciate how you’ve done everything you can to put it right.
To all the people in the gay community who have reached out to me on this issue, thank you, and I understand your outrage. I feel some of it too, but we have to contain it. We have to keep having this conversation. We have come so far, and the only way forward in situations like this is to keep moving without giving way to too much anger. We need to make people like these players understand that we are not a threat, that we are people just like them.

To the NRL, I confess my disappointment. You have been so strong in so many areas, and never more than back in 2017 when you had Macklemore sing Same Love at the grand final. I will never forget the 80,000 NRL fans singing along. As I said to the NRL CEO Todd Greenberg immediately afterwards: “This will save lives!”
And it really has.

But where have you been lately? I’ve been at you for the past five years to have a Pride Round and you talked for a bit, and said it was a great proposal of mine, but then the conversation suddenly stopped. Doesn’t this latest episode show that there is still work to be done in our football community on this? We need a Pride Round. It’s about celebration and inclusion and it’s about welcoming people and letting people know that they’re worthy of being a part of this great game.
Other codes have moved on this. Why haven’t we?
And finally, to you players who are refusing to wear the rainbow jersey. I don’t want to take a sword to you. I am trying to understand your position. I ask you to understand mine, and that of the gay community.

There are three things that are most important.

First, and I repeat: we were born gay. We had no choice in the matter. It is your right to pursue whatever faith you like. But if your belief is that we have made the wrong choices in life, because we chose to be gay, then you are simply wrong. There was no choice. We are gay.

The second thing is this, and you need to understand it: Teenagers are dying. Kids are killing themselves in the suburbs. They are taking their lives because they think the world hates them for being gay. Episodes like this don’t help. Do you get that? I implore you to reconsider your position on this. It makes an enormous difference to them.

Thirdly, this is about simple respect. You live lives where you are respected in many ways for the fine football you play. Can you not understand the pain visited upon gay people who, no matter what they do, are disrespected simply for being gay? The simple fact is, your actions have added to that disrespect. We want, and deserve, the same respect we extend to you.

Again, we need to keep talking. I’d love to sit down with all of you. I am available, if you are. Let’s talk.
 
You are also free to find other work if you disagree with the direction your employer is going, even another industry altogether. Playing NRL is a privilege. Promoting it is part of the job of players.
Actually. You cannot sack players for religious beliefs so they actually don't need to move to another Industry. They have every right to refuse to wear the jersey. If I was manly just have two jerseys.
 
Watching left-wingers get triggered is always hilarious (and easy). Like shooting fish in a barrel.

A few guys that love Jesus don't want to wear a jersey that promotes a lifestyle that they believe is wrong. More power to them. As one poster said earlier, in a free country (we don't live in one of those), people should be able to do as they please, as long as they don't transgress against another.

From what I can see, a few boys that love Jesus not wanting to wear this jersey is not a transgression against anyone. For what it is worth, there isn't a chance that I'd wear a Souths jersey of similar intent and I'm not necessarily Christian.
 
Be careful SSTID. We know what Rusty is like. Wouldn’t surprise me if he made a stance and made the club have a “pride” Guernsey.
 
Each to their own. I'm happy enough that those that wish to exclude others can instead exclude themselves. I'm fine with that.

What I struggle with is the fact that I find myself agreeing with Paul Gallen, of all people, when he says that the timing of this in the midst of Women's round and takes the focus away from .... women.

Agreeing with Paul Gallen??? And we're playing the Sharks this week!!! This will not do! We must include them in the losers column this weekend!
 
Watching left-wingers get triggered is always hilarious (and easy). Like shooting fish in a barrel.

A few guys that love Jesus don't want to wear a jersey that promotes a lifestyle that they believe is wrong. More power to them. As one poster said earlier, in a free country (we don't live in one of those), people should be able to do as they please, as long as they don't transgress against another.

From what I can see, a few boys that love Jesus not wanting to wear this jersey is not a transgression against anyone. For what it is worth, there isn't a chance that I'd wear a Souths jersey of similar intent and I'm not necessarily Christian.
It’s not a left vs right situation
 
It always amazes me that people think that using the term "left" or "right" in a response constitutes a successful retort, or even worse, a valid argument. It just shows the author's ignorance.
Not really. It just shows an observation of human behaviour. A behaviour that I find...ahhh.

Oh yeah. Hilarious. Your response being, just about, the prime example. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
 
Good old religion shitting on peoples entitlement to exist.

I support the pride round. It should be separate to women round though.

Gay people are still murdered internationally and still deal with a shit pile of hate domestically because they simply exist. The comments on social media are vile and I'm shocked to see the homophobes on this forum.

Religion is a cancer. Jesus wasn't real. You all pray to your own internal monologue. Grow up.
And I think this post sort of demonstrates the issue.

Some feel it's okay to slag religion but dislike it when people have issues with thbgs that go against their religion. There never seems to be a middle ground. We are never going to be a perfect race. We are never going to agree 100% on anything. The country has come so far in rights for minorities. We are never going to get t 100% acceptance for anything. For gay rights, for religious rights, for racism, for climate change, for animal rights etc etc etc.

People can accept gay rights without feeling they need to promote them.
 
I think expecting people to change what they have been taught or led to believe just because you change legislation is crazy. Of course we should be accepting of one’s sexuality’s, however for those who have a different belief , for them to come around, will take time. Probably a generation. In 20 years time I doubt this will even be an issue, but while those who are still alive and have been taught a different view it will take time. Be patient . In the words of a wise beautiful woman, “ it may not happen overnight, but it will happen.
 
I can really see both sides of this. I think Manly intended to do a good thing, but what a terrible way to go about it. Unprofessional and clumsy.

We almost seem to have different jerseys for many occasions now. Indigenous, womens round, ANZAC ,etc, and players seem to wear them without fuss. I could imagine though if you tried to introduce an indigenous jersey 60 years ago you would have got a similar reaction to todays (sadly). I'd hope in time that LGBTQ will be more accepted.

I find some of these religious fundamentalist views abhorrent, whether Christian, Muslim or otherwise. But I also understand how it would feel to have to wear a jersey depicting something you strongly opposed. Another part of me thinks that their employer is asking them to wear a uniform and promote their club to a section of the community not often associated with the NRL, a new market. If they don't want to do this there are other jobs they could do.
Yeah can you imagine asking a black man to wear a ku klux clan hood. Or a Jewish person to wear a swastika?
 
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