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[andyrabbit]

Exactly- it is police doing policing. No problem. You have a paper that claims Indigenous youths are treated worse than whites. If that is the case then that is horrible and should be stopped. Laws should apply equally to ALL citizens regardless of race , creed or gender- or anything else. What I am asking is do you think that a similar group should go to Alice and apply the same methods to discourage crime from ANY person? Should a zero tolerance policy similar to the treatment of the 1% or drug dealers on the North Shore, as I mentioned, be applied in the Alice so that ALL citizens feel safe to go out at night?

It's the fact that a community has not been treated equally, over generations, that has led to the current situation. Laws have not been applied equally, and that continues. Governments and police forces have been aware of this for at least half a century. Policing doesn't change. Bluedog blame the individual whereas I see the problem as systemic. I wonder what bluedog would be like if he grew up in a family where no has worked for generations; probably many family members have been jailed, little education and no chance of a job. It takes an incredible individual to pull themselves out of that.

I don't have the answers, nor have any governments while I have been alive. I am not of the opinion that you improve things by zero tolerance, more jail, to a community that already incarcerated on such a scale. You just increase the problem for the next generations.

How is refusing to rent or give employment to indigenous people going to improve anything? It kicks the can down the road.

 

[chelseabree]

It's the fact that a community has not been treated equally, over generations, that has led to the current situation. Laws have not been applied equally, and that continues. Governments and police forces have been aware of this for at least half a century. Policing doesn't change. Bluedog blame the individual whereas I see the problem as systemic. I wonder what bluedog would be like if he grew up in a family where no has worked for generations; probably many family members have been jailed, little education and no chance of a job. It takes an incredible individual to pull themselves out of that.

I don't have the answers, nor have any governments while I have been alive. I am not of the opinion that you improve things by zero tolerance, more jail, to a community that already incarcerated on such a scale. You just increase the problem for the next generations.

How is refusing to rent or give employment to indigenous people going to improve anything? It kicks the can down the road.

Thank you for your comment. I will ignore the last comment as it does not apply to me.
I agree with you that I don't know what the answer is.
However, there was a letter in the paper I was reading that was reading. It said , Education. There should be buses that come and pick up the kids and adults. They go a place where trained, motivated educators with Indigenous teachers or trusted other adults who teach and support both children and adults to learn some type of trade or skill that can make them feel good about themselves and give them a purpose in life. Good food and exercise could be provided. Elders could be in charge. Children who are identified in displaying special talents could get intensive English and Maths training with the possibility of them eventually going to University.
I know I have said it before, but it breaks my heart to see children who are not getting the same chances in life as people who live on the North Shore, for example. We MUST breaks the cycle and not have a generation of lost children.

 

[Bluey]

Andy it starts in the home, how many of these kids grow up without a father in the home, you cant better yourself if your parents dont see that you go to school, what sort of parent lets a child under 10 roam the streets till after midnight, sadly many of those parents who should be bringing up those kids to be good adults are themselves alcohol affected , as for employment ive worked with some great aboriginal people, some i would rent a house to, some i wouldnt but they were still great fun to work with or have a beer with, we all have mates who we know are a bit hopeless or grubby, the last place i worked actually had many Sudanese in the workplace but few aboriginals, many that did come would last a few days then disappear.
Back to renting?, people dont like taking risk when it comes to money, people have a right to protect their property.
As for crime? i can only imagine how awful it must be to live in some of those towns, i fear people will take the law into their own hands and people will get hurt..

It's the fact that a community has not been treated equally, over generations, that has led to the current situation. Laws have not been applied equally, and that continues. Governments and police forces have been aware of this for at least half a century. Policing doesn't change. Bluedog blame the individual whereas I see the problem as systemic. I wonder what bluedog would be like if he grew up in a family where no has worked for generations; probably many family members have been jailed, little education and no chance of a job. It takes an incredible individual to pull themselves out of that.

I don't have the answers, nor have any governments while I have been alive. I am not of the opinion that you improve things by zero tolerance, more jail, to a community that already incarcerated on such a scale. You just increase the problem for the next generations.

How is refusing to rent or give employment to indigenous people going to improve anything? It kicks the can down the road.

 

[Bluey]

Although technically racist to deny one race of people you also have a duty to protect women and children, Jacinta Price makes a lot of sense here..

 

[andyrabbit]

Thank you for your comment. I will ignore the last comment as it does not apply to me.
I agree with you that I don't know what the answer is.
However, there was a letter in the paper I was reading that was reading. It said , Education. There should be buses that come and pick up the kids and adults. They go a place where trained, motivated educators with Indigenous teachers or trusted other adults who teach and support both children and adults to learn some type of trade or skill that can make them feel good about themselves and give them a purpose in life. Good food and exercise could be provided. Elders could be in charge. Children who are identified in displaying special talents could get intensive English and Maths training with the possibility of them eventually going to University.
I know I have said it before, but it breaks my heart to see children who are not getting the same chances in life as people who live on the North Shore, for example. We MUST breaks the cycle and not have a generation of lost children.

The last comment wasn't aimed at you.
I think some drastic action is needed but I'm not sure what? Of course, it needs to start with education. Good nutrition and exercise too. Can't argue with that. However, you still have a traumatised community with little hope. You still have a community that is treated differently by the community. A guy I went to uni with was from Alice Springs and his attitude to indigenous was similar to bluedogs. His father owned a company there and refused to hire aboriginals. This was back in the 80s. Nothing has changed. Not sure what an indigenous kid can do in Alice if no one will hire him or her?

I went to public school in the North Shore. My parents moved near the outer Western Suburbs just before High School. The difference between the North Shore school and Western Suburbs was chalk and cheese. Both public schools.

 

[MegaRabbitoh]

Sydney's Aboriginal ghetto to be bulldozed

A run-down housing estate in Sydney that has become a symbol of Aboriginal disadvantage is to be torn down in an effort to revitalise the area.

www.bbc.com

Sydney's Aboriginal ghetto to be bulldozed​

• • Published
    11 October 2010

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Image caption,
Many of the houses on the estate are derelict and its open spaces are littered and overgrown
By Phil Mercer
BBC News, Sydney

A run-down housing estate in Sydney that has become a symbol of Aboriginal disadvantage is to be torn down in an effort to revitalise an area that was once at the heart of indigenous political activism.
"The Block", as it is known, began as a bold social experiment in the 1970s.
The government of Gough Whitlam, stung by rising Aboriginal homelessness and discrimination by landlords, bankrolled the purchase of property by indigenous groups in the inner city district of Redfern.
The site quickly became a magnet for Aborigines from around Australia, but was infiltrated and eventually overrun by heroin dealers in the 1990s.

Image caption,
Resident Mick Mundine has been championing the redevelopment for more than a decade
The Block has never recovered. Many of its terrace houses are derelict and its open spaces littered and overgrown.
It stands in the shadow of the proud skyline of central Sydney: the haves and have-nots of Australia's most prosperous city separated by a short walk.

In February 2004, the police were bombarded with petrol bombs by Redfern residents, enraged after 17-year-old Thomas Hickey died accidentally during an alleged police chase.
The disturbances left dozens injured and cemented the Block's violent reputation.
"It is time for changes. This bit of land is like the Aboriginal graveyard. People come here to shoot up, to have drugs. In other words, they come here to die," said Mick Mundine, the head of the Aboriginal Housing Company, who has championed the redevelopment for more than a decade.
"It is time for us to build this new community.
"It is not going to be perfect as everybody knows there is not a perfect community anywhere."
But the demolition could signal a fresh start that could bring to an end the cycle of crime and unemployment.

Deep suspicion​

The final draft has yet to be approved but the plan is to build 62 apartments for indigenous residents as well as student accommodation, a gym and a cultural arts centre.
Tenants with drug-related convictions won't be allowed in.
The area will be renamed The Pemulwuy Project after a celebrated indigenous warrior.
Ray Minniecon, a local pastor, believes the rebuilding will harness the area's unique spirit and provide business opportunities: "It is a delicate balance as to how you maintain your history, your culture, your identity. The ways in which the Block has been redesigned encompasses all those kinds of challenges.
"It gives us for the first time in this country an opportunity to put in place within a city a design that comes from the Aboriginal people, for Aboriginal people."

Image caption,
The run-down estate became a magnet for drug users and dealers
The bulldozers could move in within months, and while the transformation of the Block is seen by some residents as a step forward, others view the scheme with deep suspicion.

"It can't stay as it is," says Bruce Ellis. "It is progress and is going to be a good thing."
However, his friend, Peter, is not so sure.
"I was taken from my parents when I was eight. I ran away from that institution and settled on the Block. And for all the different tribes from around New South Wales, this was the meeting place.
"But now with this new redevelopment, that's going to change everything," he says.
Others believe that once the remaining tenants have been moved, the Block will lose its Aboriginal heart forever.
"By the time the redevelopment happens, we are wondering who is going to be housed here," said Margarita Guevara.
"I think they are trying to move our people out of here and create urbanised suburbia for the white fellas."
The Aboriginal Housing Company has insisted that indigenous residents will be invited back when the builders leave.
As one elder told the BBC, the plan to revive the Block will allow the community to pursue "the dream of living an Aboriginal life in a white man's world".

 

[cmorrison9]

Although I agree with your comments it does not take away from the hideous actions done.

I'm a Lebanese male and have never really connected to this date either. The English arriving here means little to me. A date that is meaningful to all may be better suited. It may not. Fact is the first Australians find the date of the English arriving a difficult date and that for me is enough to change it. The day should be inclusive to all. I know we will always have people that will complain but a date that reflects mourning for part of our Australians is a terrible date.

Would be like America celebrating America Day on 9/11

Maybe I’m ignorant but I’m a pretty sure Captain Cook did not arrive here and claim Australia on the 26th of January. A google search tells me it was August 22. I don’t actually know what the issue is with celebrating Australia on this day?

Australia Day to me is about celebrating the country which we live in today. It should be celebrated together. We are all Australians, no matter what our background is.

We have had sorry day but we will never reach a reconciliation if the apology is not accepted. We need to move forward together as one. White Australians should be proud of our indigenous people. Aboriginal Australians have a beautiful culture and are one of if not the oldest civilisation on Earth. They are the first Australians. Something that should be celebrated on Australia Day with every other Australian.

In short Australia Day is not about white Australia. It is about being Australian.

 

[Bluey]

Sorry Andy but your wrong re hiring of an Aboriginal, i worked with many but many others didnt want to come and work , this same opinion was shared by the Aboriginals i did work with, ie they described many of their people as lazy.

The last comment wasn't aimed at you.
I think some drastic action is needed but I'm not sure what? Of course, it needs to start with education. Good nutrition and exercise too. Can't argue with that. However, you still have a traumatised community with little hope. You still have a community that is treated differently by the community. A guy I went to uni with was from Alice Springs and his attitude to indigenous was similar to bluedogs. His father owned a company there and refused to hire aboriginals. This was back in the 80s. Nothing has changed. Not sure what an indigenous kid can do in Alice if no one will hire him or her?

I went to public school in the North Shore. My parents moved near the outer Western Suburbs just before High School. The difference between the North Shore school and Western Suburbs was chalk and cheese. Both public schools.

 

[MegaRabbitoh]

Working with Indigenous children, families, and communities: Lessons from practice

Summarises lessons learned from services that are working effectively to reduce Indigenous disadvantage in Australia.

aifs.gov.au

 

[Prowsey]

Maybe I’m ignorant but I’m a pretty sure Captain Cook did not arrive here and claim Australia on the 26th of January. A google search tells me it was August 22. I don’t actually know what the issue is with celebrating Australia on this day?

January 26th marks the day that Capt Arthur Phillip (later Governor) arrived in Sydney harbour (not called that then obviously) with a bunch of convicts to establish a penal colony to replace the US, as they'd been booted out of there by the Americans.

With respect to @bigbopper - with the commencement of Australian passports on the 26/1 - the date has nothing to do with the establishment of Australia - which occurred on the 1st January 1901.

 

[MegaRabbitoh]

What Does Marginalized Mean and Why Does it Matter? — CultureAlly

Learn the meaning of marginalization and how it occurs in the workplace. Understand the impact on marginalized groups through data. List of resources for marginalized people.

www.cultureally.com

What Does Marginalized Mean and Why Does it Matter?​

by Mary Qualls & the CultureAlly Team

When thinking of the word margin one might consider the margins of a piece of paper. Therefore, when thinking of the verb marginalize one might consider writing in the margins of a piece of paper.
However, the word marginalize has come a long way from its original definition. Today, marginalize refers to the act of treating a person or group as though they are insignificant by isolating and/or disempowering them. The term marginalized describes to the person or group that is treated insignificantly, pushed to the margins of society and rendered powerless.

Who is Marginalized?​

Marginalized groups include women, people with disabilities, people of color, LGBTQ+ folks, Indigenous peoples, people of a lower socio-economic status and so on. These groups have been historically disempowered and oppressed by influential and discriminatory groups.

The Causes of Marginalization​

Marginalization is the result of discrimination. Discrimination exists in many forms, such as racism, sexism, ableism, ageism, homophobia, xenophobia. There are also more subtle forms of discrimination like microaggressions and stereotypes. Whether or not the discrimination is overt or covert, it marginalizes others and that is unacceptable.

Marginalization in the Workplace​

In the workplace, the person or group that perpetuates marginalization is likely one that is influential and holds power. They may have little or no connection to marginalized groups. The person or group that is marginalized are likely disempowered and lack the necessary influence to contest their marginalization.

In the workplace, marginalization can look like the following:

• Assumptions based on stereotypes
• Unequal access to necessary resources on the basis of identity
• Racist speech and actions
• Purposefully isolating a person or group
• Singling a person or group out on the basis of identity
• Microaggressions
• Gaslighting
• Taking credit for someone else’s idea or work

Statistics and Data​

• In 2016, between 11%-28% of lesbian, gay and bisexual employees lost a promotion due to their sexual orientation (Center for American Progress)
• In 2016, 27% of transgender employees were fired, not hired or denied a promotion (Center for American Progress)
• In 2017, about 42% of American women reported discrimination at work due to their gender (Pew Research Center)
• In 2017, American women were nearly three times more likely than their male counterparts to experience sexual harassment at work (Pew Research Center)
• In 2017, over 80,000 workplace discrimination charges were filed in the United States (NCBI)
• In the United States, 42% of employees have experienced or witnessed racism at work (Glassdoor)
• According to global data, people with disabilities are less likely to be employed than people without disabilities (World Health Organization)

The Impact​

Marginalization at work has serious consequences for mental, physical and emotional health. Work social settings and activities become a source of anxiety, leading to more feelings of isolation. Marginalization equates to feelings of not being valued or respected. It impacts the trust between leaders and colleagues, and even quality of work. The last thing you want is a hard-working, well-rounded employee handing in their resignation due to unregulated discrimination at the office.

Helpful Tips for Leaders​

Educate Yourself – You don’t have to be an expert in the plight of the marginalized. Brush up on the history of marginalized communities, particularly those that your employees connect to. Then you will be prepared to act from a place of understanding.
See Something? Say Something – As a leader, it is your job to call out marginalizing behavior. Some people may not even be aware that they are subtly discriminating against others. This practice also lets marginalized employees know that the behavior was noticed and will not be tolerated.
Break it Down – If you are speaking with an employee that does not understand why their behavior was inappropriate, take a moment to break it down. Explain how their actions perpetuate the marginalization of their colleague(s) and how to best avoid those behaviors in the future.
Provide Additional Support – Create open dialogue, a safe space and support for employees to discuss their experiences with marginalization.
Commit to Inclusion Publicly – Let it be known office-wide that marginalizing behaviors will not be tolerated under any circumstances. This is best done face-to-face, but can also be communicated through flyers, posters and emails.
Hold a Workshop – Sometimes an office-wide announcement or conference isn’t enough. Participating in a workshop centered around the marginalized experience provides a more tangible understanding of what it is like to be oppressed and why it is never okay to marginalize another individual or group.
Be Rid of Implicit Biases – Taking the implicit bias test is a great way to understand your biases so that you can begin to rid yourself of them. Have your employees take the test and discuss the results.
Don’t Marginalize, Magnify – The contributions of marginalized employees often go unnoticed. Highlight the achievements of your employees, show that you value their contributions and hard work.

Don’t Marginalize, Magnify​

In order to maintain a flourishing office culture, having conversations about marginalization is a must. Privileged employees need to recognize the plight of their less privileged counterparts and strive to support them.
Feeling mentally and physically safe at work is a necessity. Marginalizing and discriminatory behaviors create a hostile environment, ruin professional relationships and negatively impact the wellbeing of those on the receiving end. Furthermore, these behaviors are likely to create a decline in employee engagement and productivity.
That being said, addressing marginalization and discrimination head-on is crucial. As a leader, take the time to talk to your employees about these behaviors and how they impact others. Be sure to provide support for employees who are experiencing marginalization and discrimination. And magnify the hard work and determination of employees from less privileged groups, as their ideas and contributions are often overlooked in the workplace.

 

[cmorrison9]

You miss the point entirely.

Of course they don't have to celebrate it and many don't. But they do have to witness almost the entire population have a day off to celebrate what is one of the most hurtful and tragic things that happened in the black history of our country, the day that marks official British rules and laws, in a land they had no right to be in.

You say it's all past history.

Today happens to be Holocaust Memorial Day, 27th Jan.

I often wonder why it is that whenever we talk about the Jews and the Holocaust we don't tell them "hey, get over it, it's in the past, that was decades ago".

No, we are full of sympathy and empathy and united in being against the evil of the Nazi's methods.

But the black fella, who lost his land, his nation, his language, his identity, his right to hunt, to feed his family, to self govern on his own land, well, tell him to get over it, it's in the past.

Yeah well so is the holocaust, but to me that's irrelevant.

I have a very strong feeling to show compassion, empathy and concern for what happened to the Jews, and I also have it for the Indigenous.

Mate, I don’t think anyone is telling Aboriginal people to just get over it, it’s in the past. The vast majority of people can see the atrocities that happened in this country to Aboriginal people. My view, It is a real stain on our history.

Australia as we know it today was born out of atrocity. White prisoners/slaves were taken away from their homes, families and sent here to this country to work the land beneath the lash of the cat-o-nine tails. Aboriginal people were shot on site, treated like animals. Attempted to be bred out. A true holocaust even occurred here. Every single Tasmanian Aboriginal murdered.

Despite the horrors that have occurred here on this soil, look at where we are today. Australia is one of the greatest nations on the planet. If todays Australia is something not worth celebrating, what is?

 

[MegaRabbitoh]

Take a Test

implicit.harvard.edu

 

[Prowsey]

Sydney's Aboriginal ghetto to be bulldozed

A run-down housing estate in Sydney that has become a symbol of Aboriginal disadvantage is to be torn down in an effort to revitalise the area.

www.bbc.com

Sydney's Aboriginal ghetto to be bulldozed​

• • Published
    11 October 2010

Share

Image caption,
Many of the houses on the estate are derelict and its open spaces are littered and overgrown
By Phil Mercer
BBC News, Sydney

A run-down housing estate in Sydney that has become a symbol of Aboriginal disadvantage is to be torn down in an effort to revitalise an area that was once at the heart of indigenous political activism.
"The Block", as it is known, began as a bold social experiment in the 1970s.
The government of Gough Whitlam, stung by rising Aboriginal homelessness and discrimination by landlords, bankrolled the purchase of property by indigenous groups in the inner city district of Redfern.
The site quickly became a magnet for Aborigines from around Australia, but was infiltrated and eventually overrun by heroin dealers in the 1990s.

Image caption,
Resident Mick Mundine has been championing the redevelopment for more than a decade
The Block has never recovered. Many of its terrace houses are derelict and its open spaces littered and overgrown.
It stands in the shadow of the proud skyline of central Sydney: the haves and have-nots of Australia's most prosperous city separated by a short walk.

In February 2004, the police were bombarded with petrol bombs by Redfern residents, enraged after 17-year-old Thomas Hickey died accidentally during an alleged police chase.
The disturbances left dozens injured and cemented the Block's violent reputation.
"It is time for changes. This bit of land is like the Aboriginal graveyard. People come here to shoot up, to have drugs. In other words, they come here to die," said Mick Mundine, the head of the Aboriginal Housing Company, who has championed the redevelopment for more than a decade.
"It is time for us to build this new community.
"It is not going to be perfect as everybody knows there is not a perfect community anywhere."
But the demolition could signal a fresh start that could bring to an end the cycle of crime and unemployment.

Deep suspicion​

The final draft has yet to be approved but the plan is to build 62 apartments for indigenous residents as well as student accommodation, a gym and a cultural arts centre.
Tenants with drug-related convictions won't be allowed in.
The area will be renamed The Pemulwuy Project after a celebrated indigenous warrior.
Ray Minniecon, a local pastor, believes the rebuilding will harness the area's unique spirit and provide business opportunities: "It is a delicate balance as to how you maintain your history, your culture, your identity. The ways in which the Block has been redesigned encompasses all those kinds of challenges.
"It gives us for the first time in this country an opportunity to put in place within a city a design that comes from the Aboriginal people, for Aboriginal people."

Image caption,
The run-down estate became a magnet for drug users and dealers
The bulldozers could move in within months, and while the transformation of the Block is seen by some residents as a step forward, others view the scheme with deep suspicion.

"It can't stay as it is," says Bruce Ellis. "It is progress and is going to be a good thing."
However, his friend, Peter, is not so sure.
"I was taken from my parents when I was eight. I ran away from that institution and settled on the Block. And for all the different tribes from around New South Wales, this was the meeting place.
"But now with this new redevelopment, that's going to change everything," he says.
Others believe that once the remaining tenants have been moved, the Block will lose its Aboriginal heart forever.
"By the time the redevelopment happens, we are wondering who is going to be housed here," said Margarita Guevara.
"I think they are trying to move our people out of here and create urbanised suburbia for the white fellas."
The Aboriginal Housing Company has insisted that indigenous residents will be invited back when the builders leave.
As one elder told the BBC, the plan to revive the Block will allow the community to pursue "the dream of living an Aboriginal life in a white man's world".

As an aside, I own a cafe in Redfern and have an office in Chippendale.

I regularly walk past the block moving between those two places.

It still looks brand new and is very well maintained by the people that live there.

There is strong involvement from Elders in the Block and a strong sense of community.

I don't have an investment property at the moment, but I would happily rent to any of the indigineous familiies living in the Block.

But then again I'm a virtue signalling, bleeding heart, inner city, latte sipping, leftist elite who's never had any experience with indigineous communities in the real world.

(one of those statements is true...I do like an almond latte. I live in Petersham - which some might consider inner city, but is actually inner west. I grew up in multiple towns across NSW from Menindee to Wellington though and spent a lot of time with indigenous kids and adults. Like just about everyone else there were some great people and there were some absolute dropkicks).

 

[cmorrison9]

January 26th marks the day that Capt Arthur Phillip (later Governor) arrived in Sydney harbour (not called that then obviously) with a bunch of convicts to establish a penal colony to replace the US, as they'd been booted out of there by the Americans.

With respect to @bigbopper - with the commencement of Australian passports on the 26/1 - the date has nothing to do with the establishment of Australia - which occurred on the 1st January 1901.

Thanks Prowsey.

Then change the date. Celebrate Australia together. No brainer.