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Souths and the Referendum

Magaoidh said:
That’s cool glad you enjoyed your trip next time why not include a pilgrimage to Villers Bretonneaux
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A long time till I go back to Europ. The dollar was just as bad over there. Japan Vietnam, Singapore or Thailand appeals more
 
Every self respecting Ozzie should try and visit Villers Bretonneaux.
It was life changing for my wife.
Bluey you dont know what you are talking about as per usual!
no one accused you of war mongering stop lying!
 
By the way children the referendum is over,you won!
Cappy if you are interested re Mega ask R21.
 
Sorry Mags i will be good!!.
Magaoidh said:
Every self respecting Ozzie should try and visit Villers Bretonneaux.
It was life changing for my wife.
Bluey you dont know what you are talking about as per usual!
no one accused you of war mongering stop lying!
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Bluey said:
Great news, no more welcome to country, Marcia Langton promised if the Voice failed there would be no more welcome to country, this " made up custom" was only created in 1976 by Ernie Dingo.
Its my country to so i dont need a welcome thanks..
www.dailymail.co.uk

Voice No voters celebrate Marcia Langton's vow stop Welcome to Country

Triumphant No advocates have seized on the 'threat' by a leaving Yes advocate that traditional owners would refuse to do Welcomes to Country if the Voice failed at the ballot box.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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Don't mind welcome to country but it's way overdone. Was at an in house course at work and the HR girl started by thanking the traditional owners, etc. Not a fan of it in that instance I'm afraid.
 
southsport said:

Fury grows over $400 million ‘debacle’​

SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 14: A man reacts during a live telecast by Australia's Prime Minister Anthony Albanese at the Inner West for 'Yes2023' official referendum function at Wests Ashfield Leagues Club on October 14, 2023 in Sydney, Australia. A referendum for Australians to decide on an indigenous voice to parliament was held on October 14, 2023 and compelled all Australians to vote by law. Early voting began on Oct. 2, and activity has been intensifying in both the YES and NO camps, with multiple polls showing the YES campaign headed for defeat nationally. Australia requires a double majority of both the states and voters across the country to trigger constitutional changes, with most referendums in the past having failed. (Photo by Jenny Evans/Getty Images)'s Prime Minister Anthony Albanese at the Inner West for 'Yes2023' official referendum function at Wests Ashfield Leagues Club on October 14, 2023 in Sydney, Australia. A referendum for Australians to decide on an indigenous voice to parliament was held on October 14, 2023 and compelled all Australians to vote by law. Early voting began on Oct. 2, and activity has been intensifying in both the YES and NO camps, with multiple polls showing the YES campaign headed for defeat nationally. Australia requires a double majority of both the states and voters across the country to trigger constitutional changes, with most referendums in the past having failed. (Photo by Jenny Evans/Getty Images)

Pressure is growing on the federal government to explain the Voice referendum “wipe-out” and the $400 million poured “down the drain”.
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I suppose I should be thanking Albo. I worked at the ref. and so far I have received over $1500 and I was just the person who cleaned the toilets- the bottom of the pecking order. He paid for my membership. if there was no referendum I had to cancel it because of the cost of living.
 
My understanding is that Albo had made a promise to the FN before the election to promote the Voice hence the program.
hearing the complaining by the people he should have done something about the economy but what form should that have taken.
Tax cuts for the rich,the basic wage has been increased what else?
 
Kent Brockman said:
Don't mind welcome to country but it's way overdone. Was at an in house course at work and the HR girl started by thanking the traditional owners, etc. Not a fan of it in that instance I'm afraid.
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This attitude is becoming increasingly common and, in fairness, is not necessarily the fault of FN people.

I know someone who works for a non-profit who had a particularly overzealous, what some might call PC Police, person who was in charge of a lot of the "socially progressive" aspect.

She used to tell me how militant this person was about using the "correct" terms and how this person had developed their RAP (Reconciliation Action Plan), including Acknowledgements of Country, etc.

I asked the person if this person had consulted with the local FN people about their thoughts on the RAP or what they could do, more broadly, to actually provide a benefit. Obviously, this person had simply taken it upon themselves without any consultation with external communities.

This person, who would be described as a "cisgender white woman", by some, also took it upon herself to implement several LGBTIQA+ initiatives and the likes, despite (at least as far as we could tell) herself not being actually LGBTIQA+ identifying.

So many people, myself included at times, are so fixated by doing what is "right" that they assume there is 1 homogenous "right" way to do things that they don't even consider options such as getting in touch with community representatives and actually engaging in a constructive dialogue.

And also, not surprisingly, unless your "HR girl" is indigenous, she would have no right to perform a "Welcome to Country", as that would be done (generally) by a representative of the lands/nation on which an event takes place, or (as Uncle Allan Madden has done at Souths games at Redfern and Accor, Gadigal/Eora and Wangal/Burramattagal/Dharug/Dharawal respectively) another indigenous person. An "Acknowledgement of Country" can be performed by anyone and pays respect to the traditional custodians of the land.

Both the Welcome to/Acknowledgement of Country are akin to the way the national anthem can be performed to open and/or close events by paying respect to the "country" on which an event takes place, or, in another sense, the way that prayers were traditionally used (and sometimes still are) to commence or close events.

tl;dr: Unless it's actually an FN person demanding that certain ceremonies do or don't take place, don't blame FN peoples for all these ceremonies in their name.
 
broncobuster said:
This attitude is becoming increasingly common and, in fairness, is not necessarily the fault of FN people.

I know someone who works for a non-profit who had a particularly overzealous, what some might call PC Police, person who was in charge of a lot of the "socially progressive" aspect.

She used to tell me how militant this person was about using the "correct" terms and how this person had developed their RAP (Reconciliation Action Plan), including Acknowledgements of Country, etc.

I asked the person if this person had consulted with the local FN people about their thoughts on the RAP or what they could do, more broadly, to actually provide a benefit. Obviously, this person had simply taken it upon themselves without any consultation with external communities.

This person, who would be described as a "cisgender white woman", by some, also took it upon herself to implement several LGBTIQA+ initiatives and the likes, despite (at least as far as we could tell) herself not being actually LGBTIQA+ identifying.

So many people, myself included at times, are so fixated by doing what is "right" that they assume there is 1 homogenous "right" way to do things that they don't even consider options such as getting in touch with community representatives and actually engaging in a constructive dialogue.

And also, not surprisingly, unless your "HR girl" is indigenous, she would have no right to perform a "Welcome to Country", as that would be done (generally) by a representative of the lands/nation on which an event takes place, or (as Uncle Allan Madden has done at Souths games at Redfern and Accor, Gadigal/Eora and Wangal/Burramattagal/Dharug/Dharawal respectively) another indigenous person. An "Acknowledgement of Country" can be performed by anyone and pays respect to the traditional custodians of the land.

Both the Welcome to/Acknowledgement of Country are akin to the way the national anthem can be performed to open and/or close events by paying respect to the "country" on which an event takes place, or, in another sense, the way that prayers were traditionally used (and sometimes still are) to commence or close events.

tl;dr: Unless it's actually an FN person demanding that certain ceremonies do or don't take place, don't blame FN peoples for all these ceremonies in their name.
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Agree to all that mate.
I should also note I can be a bit of a critical grumpy bum about certain things. For example I don't think we should sing the anthem at State of Origin.
 
Kent Brockman said:
Agree to all that mate.
I should also note I can be a bit of a critical grumpy bum about certain things. For example I don't think we should sing the anthem at State of Origin.
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If you're going to sing the anthem at a football game, State of Origin is one of the rare times I think it is perfectly acceptable and within reason.

It's an inter-state series that is a de facto national championship, so to me it seems perfectly reasonable to have the anthem there. This is also not me being ignorant of the "controversy" around the singing of the anthem (or not), but the fact of the matter is that such an event is generally where it makes sense to have the national anthem - a matter, in sporting terms at least, of national importance and significance.

If the anthem itself is the "problem", that's another discussion to be had altogether...
 
news – 18 Oct 23
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Latrell Mitchell torches NRL great over anthem storm 1​

Latrell Mitchell has slammed rugby league legend Max Krilich over the former Australian Test captain’s call for players to be dropped for failing to sing the national anthem.



Why does Latrell involve himself in this stuff but doesn’t involve himself as much when he plays for us ?

It’s a bit rich for some of these players to be standing in front of packed stadiums, massive TV audiences, huge pay packets. Standing in an Australian jersey that only the very , very few elit will ever get to wear, huge bonuses and claiming to be down trodden and without a voice !!

‘Meanwhile in a universe far far away from their lives we have average Aussies laying bricks, digging holes, mums and dads working 70 hours a week to feed and house kids with massive mortgages and nothing left to spare at the end of the week.

This country is not perfect, this country has a history with some issues. This country is still one of the best to live in the world. We have people fighting to come here, risking life to come here. We look around the world and all should see the good , the opportunities , the freedoms we enjoy, the climate we enjoy. If you always focus on behind and live in the past you won’t enjoy the present and be grateful for the blessings we have here.

We all should love this country, be proud of this country, be thankful we live here. Yes we all should strive to make it better and fix issues along the way where we can. But first and foremost be proud, grateful and honored that we live in one of the best nations on earth!!!
 
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