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[Bluey]

Not a fan of Stan Grant but Warren Mundine and Jacinta Price are great and speaking common sense rather than riding the blame game.

As I said, I agree. We can study and learn. Mostly we have.

Overwhelmingly we are better as a species but to constantly go back into the distant past and those barbaric times and weaponise them today, in my mind, is the wrong approach.

Frankly, the date of Australia day and the actions of the past won’t solve the problems facing troubled communities Alice Springs or Cherbourg.
The issues facing some communities are certainly starkly different to what many deal with.

to lump it all in one big basket is dumb in my mind. So many aboriginals live very ”prosperous“ lives.
What Stan Grant or Warren Mundine etc need is certainly different to what those poor kids and wives in in the outback regions.

 

[daRque]

Take an Aussie family living in Alice Springs or Tennant Creek, they own a rental , are they racist if they prefer not to rent to an aboriginal or are they making a decision on what they know and see

Yes, they are blatantly racist because they base their bias on race, and not on being a bad tennant. Is that really that hard to grasp?

you have not been a victim to having your rental wrecked.

No I haven't. But my sister has a few rental properties in Ballina and one of those was destroyed by very bad tennants, they actually dug a hole in the lounge room floorboards for a wood fire.

Guess what, they were a white family. Maybe she should stop renting to white people.

 

[Gerg]

But I'm suggesting that ethics and attitudes today were not absent 50, 100, 200 years ago. People were using attitudes we in part share today (though more prevalently held) in the past as well, and judged government and individual actions

As I said, I agree. We can study and learn. Mostly we have.

Overwhelmingly we are better as a species but to constantly go back into the distant past and those barbaric times and weaponise them today, in my mind, is the wrong approach.

Frankly, the date of Australia day and the actions of the past won’t solve the problems facing troubled communities Alice Springs or Cherbourg.
The issues facing some communities are certainly starkly different to what many deal with.

to lump it all in one big basket is dumb in my mind. So many aboriginals live very ”prosperous“ lives.
What Stan Grant or Warren Mundine etc need is certainly different to what those poor kids and wives in in the outback regions.

Totally agree that it's very complicated, and communities are so diverse.

It's clear that there needs to be practical work done, in consultation with communities, but I also think symbolic measures are important - Indigenous communities and Elders tell us this. It's a key way to demonstrate respect for culture and history.

 

[Bluey]

Oh of course they were white, surprise surprise, you do what you want nobody cares, as i said go buy a rental in Moree and go for it, if somebody chooses not to rent to a group then that is their business, i know 2 people who wont rent to Indians, not because of their color but because the smell of curry remains in the home for years, give yourself a pat on the head, my how politically correct you are, i dont own an investment property and dont intent to buy one at the present but if i did everything from then is my business as are the financial consequences , you can gasp and tut tut all you like but Australia day is on the 26th January, get used to it.

Yes, they are blatantly racist because they base their bias on race, and not on being a bad tennant. Is that really that hard to grasp?



No I haven't. But my sister has a few rental properties in Ballina and one of those was destroyed by very bad tennants, they actually dug a hole in the lounge room floorboards for a wood fire.

Guess what, they were a white family. Maybe she should stop renting to white people.

 

[JessicaRabbit]

Your words, that you want to impart on “WE” or me, as you did in direct response to my comment

find one post of mine where I have imparted or implied colour in my comments . Go ahead, twist yourself in knots.

we know that You are implying that Khan was coloured. where are “coloured invaders” criticised in anything I said, let alone Whitie Napoleon ?

'We' as in the world at large; not you.

My original argument was that Britain's invasion of Australia cannot be justified on the grounds that someone else would have done the same or worse. I gave a couple of scenarios that show that the ethics just don't stand up.

And you attacked my argument by somehow saying ethics were different. That's where you lost right from the start. You were defending the indefensible.

I countered (I really shouldn't have bothered) by suggesting that ethics tend to be malleable things in that it's OK for some people to do things but much worse for others to do those same things. And I speculated on why that was the case. Why, in the general rating of history's monstrous crimes, do some peoples, countries etc get a more tolerant judgement than others. I'm only guessing at the reasons.

 

[captainsutto]

Not a fan of Stan Grant but Warren Mundine and Jacinta Price are great and speaking common sense rather than riding the blame game.

i guess my point about Grant, Mundine, Price and co is that they don’t live the “traditional” life.

Whilst everyone is blowing up about the OZ day date the real issues around health, education, life expectancy, drug abuse & violence are being missed in the discussion.

Are those good folk mentioned above going to be impacte, directly, by those social issues listed?

The debate needs to be centred into needs and the aboriginal need to decide what they want

 

[captainsutto]

And you attacked my argument by somehow saying ethics were different. That's where you lost right from the start. You were defending the indefensible.

Generally, yes things were different. We’ve evolved, greatly. My point is that happens over time
are you seriously telling me that the rampaging, raping and pillaging Norseman equate to todays society.
Should we now turn around and judge todays Swedes & Danes for the sins of the past?

Like my mate who hates the Japanese. Where to draw the line on the past?

Shit 2 weeks ago I got abused for daring to hold a door open for a young lady. Got called a dinosaur because she’s “capable”…..change in standards but I’m the bad guy. Cancel me because of my past learnings?

Clearly, this debate about our past has gone around 8n circles for my lifetime. 60 years.

It fails to fix or address the problems and it’s clear to me that poorly thought out “blame culture“ is the main reason. From both races

 

[daRque]

Oh of course they were white, surprise surprise, you do what you want nobody cares, as i said go buy a rental in Moree and go for it, if somebody chooses not to rent to a group then that is their business, i know 2 people who wont rent to Indians, not because of their color but because the smell of curry remains in the home for years, give yourself a pat on the head, my how politically correct you are, i dont own an investment property and dont intent to buy one at the present but if i did everything from then is my business as are the financial consequences , you can gasp and tut tut all you like but Australia day is on the 26th January, get used to it.

So you readily accept alleged stories of Aboriginals destroying rental properties, but when I provide an instance my family experienced you don't accept it because the grubs were white?

You had better accept Australia Day is "currently" on the 26th January. It won't be for much longer.

Luckily racists as extreme and dedicated as you are on the way out and a more compassionate, mature and sensible younger people will replace your archaic views.

Just like same sex marriage, things change for the better eventually.

By the way, you still have not provided a solution for the hypothetical family we spoke about.

Where would they live if nobody will rent to them?

I know you can't answer it because you have no solutions, only racist generalisations, but I'll keep trying.

 

[Bluey]

As i said i wouldnt rent a home to white grubs either, where do they live?, we have white families here in Brisbane who are living in tents, cant find a rental, but if statistics were taken on tenants by race and the care taken of homes that would be revealing i am sure, i have aboriginal mates who are disgusted by the behavior of aboriginal communities , ie treatment of homes provided by govt, as for Australia day and the vote i hope when they put the "voice" up for a vote they include Australia day and settle it, and people like you are a big cause of division, instead of letting the past be the past you encourage entitlement and grievance, and you have no solutions, the date of Australia day will have about as much effect as saying "Sorry" did as with NAIDOC week.
You can pontificate all you like, it is what it is.

So you readily accept alleged stories of Aboriginals destroying rental properties, but when I provide an instance my family experienced you don't accept it because the grubs were white?

You had better accept Australia Day is "currently" on the 26th January. It won't be for much longer.

Luckily racists as extreme and dedicated as you are on the way out and a more compassionate, mature and sensible younger people will replace your archaic views.

Just like same sex marriage, things change for the better eventually.

By the way, you still have not provided a solution for the hypothetical family we spoke about.

Where would they live if nobody will rent to them?

I know you can't answer it because you have no solutions, only racist generalisations, but I'll keep trying.

 

[daRque]

As i said i wouldnt rent a home to white grubs either, where do they live?, we have white families here in Brisbane who are living in tents, cant find a rental, but if statistics were taken on tenants by race and the care taken of homes that would be revealing i am sure, i have aboriginal mates who are disgusted by the behavior of aboriginal communities , ie treatment of homes provided by govt, as for Australia day and the vote i hope when they put the "voice" up for a vote they include Australia day and settle it, and people like you are a big cause of division, instead of letting the past be the past you encourage entitlement and grievance, and you have no solutions, the date of Australia day will have about as much effect as saying "Sorry" did as with NAIDOC week.
You can pontificate all you like, it is what it is.

You still have not answered where the aboriginal family who can't get a rental might live.

Out of curiosity, all these aboriginal mates you keep mentioning, have you ever told them that if they needed a home and you were the landlord you wouldn't rent to them based on their race?

 

[captainsutto]

I know a few real estate agents and none of them have ever asked about the race of the person who is renting.

I would think his employment status would be pivotal in any decision.

He would certainly have cause for legal action if race is the only reason.

 

[Bluey]

They are Australian same as the white family who cant find a home, to be honest the Aboriginal family is more likely to get govt assistance before the white family, and your questions are boring, have i ever told by Aboriginal mates they wanted a home and i didnt know them i would be hesitant to rent them a home, its not something we talk about, i did say " unless i knew them personally".
As for the opinion of those workmates?, i did state they were scathing of the behavior and treatment of property in many aboriginal communities.
As i said you pat your head all you like, virtue signaling does nothing to fix the problems facing our indigenous.

You still have not answered where the aboriginal family who can't get a rental might live.

Out of curiosity, all these aboriginal mates you keep mentioning, have you ever told them that if they needed a home and you were the landlord you wouldn't rent to them based on their race?

 

[daRque]

virtue signaling does nothing to fix the problems facing our indigenous.

Neither does your racism and bigotry.

to be honest the Aboriginal family is more likely to get govt assistance before the white family,

Not true, you can check in the link I previously provided.

They are Australian same as the white family who cant find a home,

Not true at all, total bullshit.
You said 90% of landlords agree with not renting to Aboriginals, are you aware of any landlords who have a blanket rule not to rent to white people in 90% of cases? No, you don't.

So which is it, do 90% of landlords agree with you as you stated, or do they treat everyone equally and you are admitting your 90% was bullshit? Can't have it both ways.

 

[daRque]

I know a few real estate agents and none of them have ever asked about the race of the person who is renting.

I would think his employment status would be pivotal in any decision.

He would certainly have cause for legal action if race is the only reason.

Almost all applications for everything these days has the question "Are you of Aboriginal or Torres Straight Island descent".

As far as legal action goes, would be next to impossible to prove the decision not to rent was racially based.

 

[MegaRabbitoh]

This is probably the most disapointing thread I have ever read on The Pride.

Have you forgotten the "Cody Walker won't sing the national anthem" SOO thread of 2019 on the old Pride? Went for 21 pages. This is just a repeat of that.