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Duff said:
Your memory is a little off mate.

We lost our last 2 in 2017, we won only 9 games all season, and a team that had these players -

Cody Walker, Campbell Graham (albeit very young), John Sutton, Adam Reynolds, but more importantly, a forward pack of - Tom Burgess, Damien Cook, Zane Musgrove, Sam Burgess, Angus Chricton, Cam Murray with George Burgess on the bench got 64 put on us in the penultimate round of the competition proper. Conceding 11 tries along the way. Yes it was against Melbourne, but it was a dead-set embarrassment.

The players had stopped buying into Madge.

I'm forver grateful for 2014, I think he was one of the major catalysts for the club turning the corner from the laughing stock we were, and is still one of the major reasons we were attractive enough for Wayne Bennett to want to come back here, but let's not kid ourselves.

Injuries or not, 2016 and 2017 were disgraceful and his time with us was up.

Wish him a great life, but nothing but pain coaching the broncos.
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Agree with this view, which is reinforced by the comments of Luke Keary that the Madge era was "unsustainable".
 
Pplspoet said:
We had those guys this year and I feel we struggled to get the timing on the 2 hooker rotation right.

Interchanges are a finite resource.

Plus, I think I’m right in saying that every team that made week 1 of the finals this year had an 80 minute hooker?

For sides like the Broncos, Parra and Raiders who utilise a hooking rotation, did they generally make 1 change or 2?
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I think our timing was off because we were trying to use Cook as a link man through the middle or in a roving role.

Arrow was also playing busted for most of the year.

Penrith dont have a backup hooker but they did carry a backup half back on the bench for the back end of the year.
Storm also had Wishart who could come on and play practically anywhere.

Having a utility might be the way to go, could this be something Gray could do? Or even Ilias or Humphries? Someone who covers several positions off the bench in case you lose someone to HIA as opposed to a specialist dummy half or 4 big boppers.
 
aegean said:
Agree with this view, which is reinforced by the comments of Luke Keary that the Madge era was "unsustainable".
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Sheesh, time to put that memory in the bin. I won't report back but now I want to check and see where I got that impression from 🙄
 
Duff said:
Your memory is a little off mate.

We lost our last 2 in 2017, we won only 9 games all season, and a team that had these players -

Cody Walker, Campbell Graham (albeit very young), John Sutton, Adam Reynolds, but more importantly, a forward pack of - Tom Burgess, Damien Cook, Zane Musgrove, Sam Burgess, Angus Chricton, Cam Murray with George Burgess on the bench got 64 put on us in the penultimate round of the competition proper. Conceding 11 tries along the way. Yes it was against Melbourne, but it was a dead-set embarrassment.

The players had stopped buying into Madge.

I'm forver grateful for 2014, I think he was one of the major catalysts for the club turning the corner from the laughing stock we were, and is still one of the major reasons we were attractive enough for Wayne Bennett to want to come back here, but let's not kid ourselves.

Injuries or not, 2016 and 2017 were disgraceful and his time with us was up.

Wish him a great life, but nothing but pain coaching the broncos.
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Anyone know the full story of what went down after 2014?
Everyone talked about the Glenn Stewart effect but at the time everyone thought it was great signing - I still remember the articles about how our attack would evolve with him. It seems odd that a guy who was a state of origin player was that much of a bad egg? Or was his impact on our decline exaggerated?
 
Joe said:
Anyone know the full story of what went down after 2014?
Everyone talked about the Glenn Stewart effect but at the time everyone thought it was great signing - I still remember the articles about how our attack would evolve with him. It seems odd that a guy who was a state of origin player was that much of a bad egg? Or was his impact on our decline exaggerated?
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He's a Berkley boy.
 
Bruster said:
WB spoke about Illias future at Souths not too long ago and mentioned him at 9. That would put Ryan Gray behind 3 other players. Extremely unlikely him being called upon in 2025.
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there’s every chance that Gray will start at hooker in Reggie’s with Lachy & Humphreys in the halves initially
 
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